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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:33:56 -
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Any of you fitting brain can tell what it looks like if you take some logi support for granted since it seems to fall around the speed of logi frigs or maybe T1 cruisers? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:02:54 -
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So since it's supposed to be slow as people have said, I guess we got a tanky, delayed damage gate camper in our hands. Sniper mode will let you get fast locks I guess... |
Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2015.05.14 14:55:32 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:It could probably get a point range bonus instead or something. That would help it. 12km scram + faction web or 28km t2 longpoint. It could then possibly scram kite some things.
The thing about EVE is an agility bonus just isn't that useful unless you're trying to run away. It helps with oversize prop mods but this ship came predesigned as not being able to really benefit from those.
I'd rather fly my flycatcher tbh at least that thing hauls ass when it has to.
I think the problem is everybody was and is still hoping for a solo boat and CCP didn't deliver that. The 2 previous T3D set the tone for what these were all going to be and the jackdaw then is out of the mold. Everybody was expecting a confessor/svipul hibrid spewing missiles instead of laser/projectiles. The tank was obvioulsy aimed toward shield and more than likely a resist bonus and not active reps.
It's racially fitting (buffer shield tank, missiles as main weapon) but feels at an odd place within it's ship class. |
Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2015.05.19 13:49:35 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
People were bitching about how bad the svipul will be prior to its introduction and now they are complaining it is flown to much...
Actually people were wtf-OP 50km artillery in prop mode. Then some were trololol ship with 2MASBs and a 10mn AB and 300dps+. But calling it bad, no one did that. The most commonly expressed opinions in the Svipul feedback thread said it would be terrible and that nobody would fly it. We've accepted that the community as a whole underestimates the strength of Tactical Destroyers until someone proves to them how good they can be.
What's your vision of it? What are you trying to build with it? Is it supposed to be a good solo ship like the previous 2 T3D or is it supposed to be used differently?
I don't think it's an outright bad ship but it would be nice to know what you are trying to accomplish with this hull so feedback can be targeted at realising this goal instead of pulling in every direction and ending up with stuff like a "free* SSE at skill V".
*Not actually free since you "paid" a bonus slot for it. |
Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2015.05.19 14:44:41 -
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Shailagh wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
People were bitching about how bad the svipul will be prior to its introduction and now they are complaining it is flown to much...
Actually people were wtf-OP 50km artillery in prop mode. Then some were trololol ship with 2MASBs and a 10mn AB and 300dps+. But calling it bad, no one did that. The most commonly expressed opinions in the Svipul feedback thread said it would be terrible and that nobody would fly it. We've accepted that the community as a whole underestimates the strength of Tactical Destroyers until someone proves to them how good they can be. Im pretty sure the community knows that T3 Destroyers are the most OP and biggest power creepers the game has seen since the introduction of T3 Cruisers. Seriously, who thinks T3 anythings are not over powered??? Power leeeeap
If you read the thread back they were announcing the svipul, a **** load of people were saying it would be UP at least compared to to the confessor. People were saying it would not get flown at all.
Of course we won't try to expose every single of of them but there were a lot of negative comment. |
Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2015.05.21 19:15:53 -
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Fourteen Maken wrote:Any chance of testing a web strength bonus on this instead? I think it would suit the hull well without making it OP, it would make people chose rockets instead of light missiles, and it would make up for the lower speed in brawling range.
It won't happen because it's not fitting for the race... |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.05 13:45:58 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:It's almost like you don't understand that 5x sigR with 5x V is the same as shooting a ship without a MWD?
Or that you only recently joiined this conversation?
Only really true for turrets, because in missiles the second coefficient term has an exponent. x5^n/x5 is not strictly proportional change to x5/x5 In any case... I don't see why a Jackdaw losing to a Caracal is a cause for alarm. Haven't T3Ds made enough ship classes obsolete yet? Whether Jackdaw deserves the same praise or not. It's more alarming that people go on about how they can't kite in this. Just keep on snowballing EVE into a Dot Versus Dot simulator, right? If I may be hyperbolic, how soon can we expect small ships to project damage from one edge of the grid to another? And have enough speed to cover the distance for the last, heroic, "well deserved" 80km tackle. 
Problem is CCP created a precedent with the first 2 T3D and people are expecting those from other races to have similar capabilities. |
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